LeBlanc accuses Tories of theatrics as they push for names of MPs in foreign meddling report
It's up to RCMP to investigate and lay charges if warranted, public safety minister says
Public Safety Minister Dominic LeBlanc accused Conservative MPs of theatrics on Thursday as they pressed the government to release the names of MPs allegedly engaged in foreign interference.
An intelligence watchdog said in a public report this week that some MPs wittingly assisted the efforts of foreign states to meddle in Canadian politics.
The blunt report has prompted concern that members engaged in interference might still be active in politics, and Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre called on Wednesday for the Liberal government to disclose their names.
Tory members of the House of Commons public safety and national security committee challenged LeBlanc on Thursday on the government's refusal to reveal their identities.
"Do you think Canadians have a right to know, yes or no?" asked Conservative MP Frank Caputo.
LeBlanc told the committee that intelligence reports can contain unverified information that fails to provide a complete picture.
"One particular piece of the puzzle, an intelligence source or information, may not have a context, may be discredited or altered by subsequent information," he said. "So the idea that there's a perfect list of names, that is entirely reliable that should be released to the public, is simply irresponsible."
It is up to the RCMP to investigate and lay charges if warranted, as that's how things work in a rule-of-law democracy, said LeBlanc, adding there's a "certain disingenuous element" to Caputo's theatrics.
The testy exchanges took place as committee members met to hear from LeBlanc and other witnesses on a sweeping government bill to counter foreign interference.
The bill tabled in the House early last month includes a variety of measures to deter, investigate and punish foreign meddling.
It would introduce new criminal provisions against deceptive or surreptitious acts, allow for the broader sharing of sensitive information and establish a foreign influence transparency registry.
The bill recognizes that states might engage in interference to advance foreign political goals, and can employ people to act on their behalf without disclosing their ties.
The transparency registry would require certain individuals to register with the federal government to help guard against such activity.
A new sabotage offence in the Criminal Code would focus on conduct directed at essential infrastructure such as systems that enable transportation or communications, or support delivery of health and food services.
The bill also would enhance the Canadian Security Intelligence Service's capacity to use datasets of information, and help the spy service collect from within Canada foreign intelligence about the intentions and capabilities of states and individuals.
The committee says members must present proposed amendments to the bill by Friday afternoon in anticipation of clause-by-clause consideration early next week.
In a letter Thursday to the committee, 14 civil society groups expressed "deep concerns" that MPs are wrapping up hearings on the bill after only about a week.
The organizations warned that the unusually swift parliamentary study of the bill could result in flawed laws that violate people's rights.
A rushed process for a bill of such scope will undermine the ability to hold a full and meaningful study, risking adoption of laws that will violate Charter-protected rights and freedoms, the letter said.
It was signed by Amnesty International's Canadian section, the Canadian Association of University Teachers, the Canadian Civil Liberties Association, the Canadian Muslim Public Affairs Council, the International Civil Liberties Monitoring Group and Ligue des droits et libertes, among others.
"We recognize the importance of addressing harassment, threats and violence against people, including when enacted by foreign governments in order to repress the exercise of fundamental rights or engagement in democratic processes," the letter said.
"However, the changes proposed by this legislation go much further. If adopted, this bill will bring extensive changes to Canada's national security, intelligence and criminal justice systems, in addition to creating a foreign influence registry of considerable, albeit uncertain, scope."
As a consequence, the bill will have significant effects on the lives and fundamental rights of people in Canada, including risks of increased surveillance, diminished privacy, and limits on freedom of expression and association, the letter added.
"The result is that organizations and individuals who would have requested to appear, or would have submitted written briefs, will be unable to on such short timelines. Developing specific amendments to suggest by this Friday's deadline is nearly impossible."
Representatives of the National Council of Canadian Muslims, which signed the letter, objected to the tight timeline at the committee meeting Thursday.
The council's Ahmad Al Qadi said more time is needed to conduct a full study "that isn't crammed into one week."
