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PC candidates take aim at Liberals, not each other during 1st debate

The PC leadership candidates agree on many big issues, including the need to reform Nalcor.

Ches Crosbie, Tony Wakeham share ideas in event organized by Memorial University

Leadership candidates Tony Wakeham, right, and Ches Crosbie, left, pose with moderator Stephen Tomblin before a debate at Memorial University Thursday. (Bruce Tilley/CBC)

They were supposed to be debating each other, but at times it seemed more like Tony Wakeham and Ches Crosbie were debating premier Dwight Ball.

The event Thursday morning, organized by Memorial University, was the first chance the pair had to go head to head.

During the hour and a half debate, both railed against Ball and the governing Liberals, mentioning that party by name at least 14 times.

They only specifically mentioned the Progressive Conservative party they're running to lead four times.

Tony Wakeham said both candidates have the same goal: they want the PC party to defeat the Liberals in 2019 (Bruce Tilley/CBC)

Crosbie admitted that more unites the two candidates than divides them.

"There is a core of common values because we are members of the Progressive Conservative party," he said, pointing out they're both fiscally conservative and socially progressive.

After that, he said it comes down to each candidate's work and life experience.

Ches Crosbie said Nalcor has more power than the elected government, calling it 'the deep state' - a phrase used by U.S. President Donald Trump. (Bruce Tilley/CBC)

Tony Wakeham said both candidates are really after the same goal.

"Obviously our focus is on defeating our Liberal government, we have different ways of going about that," he said.

Wakeham challenged Crosbie on a few of his ideas, including a plan to require politicians to not break election promises with threat of penalty, and to enshrine in law a maximum deficit.

'Deep state'

During the debate Crosbie criticized Nalcor, using a term favoured by U.S. President Donald Trump and right wing factions in the United States.

"Nalcor acts as the deep state," he said during the debate.

The term is used to describe entrenched bureaucracy in the U.S., that Trump accuses of secretly working to subvert him.

The audience for the debate at Memorial University included students and members of the public. (Bruce Tilley/CBC)

Crosbie said it applies well to Nalcor.

"Nalcor has all the knowledge and all the power," he said.

"And instead of the politicians instructing Nalcor, it's Nalcor instructing the politicians. This is not healthy."

Crosbie said the Crown energy corporation needs to be "reconstructed" and he said the province should look at selling its holdings in offshore oil projects.

"I don't disagree with Mr. Crosbie's analysis of the Nalcor piece, on the governance piece. I think that we truly need to look at how we appoint people to the board of Nalcor and change it," said Wakeham.

"It appears at times to be nothing more than a political process."